And I think there's something that all people can learn from the stories about adapting from trauma, about evolving through trauma and using the tools that you develop in trauma to find success and whatever it is that you set your mind to.” And you’re not saying these institutional and systemic failings aren’t bad and shouldn’t be changed and fought against, but you're also saying you can use these things to your advantage sometimes. That goes for everybody from a pastor of a church in Brooklyn to the CEO of a large media company to, you know, one of the leaders of Black Lives Matter movement, to the head of startups at Google. “In the book, I interview 15 people who we're willing to go on the record to share the ways that since childhood they have endured traumas in this country that have informed the ways that they do their business. But it’s about the positive impact of that trauma on these individuals that you interviewed. In particular, the trauma of growing up black in America. Kelly talks to entrepreneur and media mogul Chad Sanders about his new book Black Magic: What Black Leaders Learned From Trauma and Triumph.
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